Dog shot with arrow is "extreme cruelty" yet when done to deer it's "sports"

Please watch video



The women says "who can do something like that?" Does Sport hunting especially bowhunting comes to mind?

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Then the newsman says "it's an extreme
case of animal cruelty that will make you cringe" "Disturbing. You know - why would somebody do that to an animal?", says Midland County Sheriff, Gary Painter."



"One that has been treated as cruelly as this one certainly deserves a little bit more than what we normally do. Somebody needs to pay for this one way or another", says painter. What surprises me
is whether be dogs, cats, deer, elk, bear they all suffer and all feel the same pain and die a horrible death especially from a bow and arrow. The newsman says " Tonight she's mourning this dog's death and left fearful for her cats, horses and her own dogs"

http://mathew5-7.blogspot.com/2011/05/bowhunters-will-kill-your-dogs-and-cats.html

I would too for bowhunters are psychopath and will shoot any living creatures, if off season they will find even your pets to shoot for "fun" or other little creatures of the forest. Bows and Arrow are
so quiet who would know?



You want psychos like this who such as in NJ can kill 50 yards from ones home, around your pets, you and especially the children? you will unless you fight for the right to use Non-Lethal options and says NO to lethal http://www.nocull.org/
Killing is not only cruel but it just continues to create more deer that is why in NJ and many heavily hunted state make every excuses not to use the IC deer birth control.

"I'm hoping whoever does this is caught because this can't continue", says Grant."

So long as they continue to use these bowhunting
psychopath or any sport hunting,  though in case of   bowhunting it's quiet so no one can hear, this will continue.

"Donations are being accepted at Medical Veterinary Service in Midland to cover the costs of surgery." of course, all these injuries and death the innocent people have to pay for medical expense even funeral cost, there is no strict penalty for the "Sportsman" even in case of humans being injured and killed during bowhunting or shotgun because it was only an "accident". There are so much corruption in the Hunting industry!!


The Reality of Bowhunting - The psychpath hunters all think it's "fun" to toture an innocent animals with such barbaric weapon of pain. Bowhunters know it takes a while for the animals to die that is why they wait MINIMUM of 30-45 min. before retrieving the deer, sometimes much longer 2 hours , 4, even overnight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw4MyyM1utc&list=UUmhKUol_xWQbWVh3D0TqhEQ&index=10&feature=plcp


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Abolish Bowhunting and end the brutality!!!

Stop the officially sanctioned, inhumane slaughter of deer in Fairfax county

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Psychopath and Serial killers Profile are exactly the same as Sports Hunters Profile.- READ AND YOU WILL AGREE!

Why, why, WHY  do they enjoy sharing such disgusting photographs of death, the animals with gray in the eyes and blood in the mouth? Only sick soulless  humans will have a smile from ear to ear from destroying life and post on photographs on their hunting forums to share with other  psychopaths and also their video of terror, pain and suffering they inflicted upon the animals for amusement,sports, trophy or what ever sick reasons for killing.   We know recreational hunting is NOT about "food". "Backstrap" don't cut it as an excuse for some. 

Sports hunters do not want to be called PSYCHOPATH OR SERIAL KILLERS but the sad reality is that THEY ARE, especially the bowhunters a TRUE definition of a PSYCHOPATHS for they know their action will always cause slow death to the living sentient beings as they wait the recommended 30-45 minute MINIMUM for the animals to die, some as long as 4 to 12 hours and millions more left wounded and crippled to succumb to death after days sometimes weeks by their wounds unable to eat (starvation), so right there is the signature of a Psychopath. ("profound absence of guilt and empathy."). No humans with even an ounce of compassion can ever deliberately cause such pain and suffering to the innocent animals and find joy and fun out of it. ! Here is the exact profile of a psychopath and Serial Killers. Reminder that many shotgun hunters are also bowhunters, they just cannot get enough of killing so when barbaric bow season is over they go into killing for fun with their muzzle loader or shotgun Psychopath animal killers wants to make sure everyone knows them as "sportsman", "outdoorsman" who "love and respect" wildlife , "feed the hungry" and "help" with "conservation" which we all know is just a euphemism for "conserving land to use as a killing field (sport hunting) and the animals to be used as living targets for sports and trophy).

Now lets get to the similarities so this way no matter how much the sadist wildlife killers wants to convince the public what "good" people they are and that it's all about "Conservation"  being a "sportsman" and "outdoorsman", "a tradition", "for bonding" etc.etc.etc ...... we will NOT be fooled!! Quotes were taken from varieties of serial killers and Pscyopath profile websites.

He covers "the essence of torture," "the anger-retaliation signature," "the picquerism signature," "the psychological imprint of a sadist,"

                           

                                        (Notice their sadistic photos and videos)
 

                       

click here,here, here,here,here,here, and  here.  There are so much more to add which I will later tomorrow. 

   

"Based on studies, serial killers usually choose victims that they can easily overpower, such as a person having short height and low weight. (defenseless animals and mostly deer )

click here, here, and here

"However, some research indicates that components of neural circuits involved in empathy may also be dysfunctional in psychopathy.[48]

[edit] Enjoyment of others' suffering"

"The same ability may underlie schadenfreude (taking pleasure in the pain of another entity) and sadism (being sexually gratified through the infliction of pain or humiliation on another person" ( which in sports hunters case is the innocent sentient wildlife)

There are series of videos of spine shot deer where the bowhunters have not a care in the world, many of them in fact enjoy watching the animals suffer and wail in fear and pain or they are so busy doing the high fives and cheering all the while the animals are suffering. So that is "enjoyment of other's suffering". I have seen Bowhunters when they should at least attempt to put second shot on the deer even though that still not an a gurantee fast death ( watch this many do not take the second shot or take too long to do so because they are busy cheering and in their ectacy and the deer regain use of their leg to run off which of course some bowhunters will leave them overnight or go home for lunch or supper to come back for the deer when they are sure the deer has died click here. Most time though if it's a doe they won't even bother but with a trophy deer yes they will.

I was at a forum where 2 bowhunters were talking about how when they kill a deer it's as "good as having sex" "their knees gets weak " and I also believe that they have some freakesh enjoyment of using female deer to "get back" at women or even maybe have sex with the corpse which would not surprise me at all. Look at some of these pictures

click here,here ,here,here, here and here

Often when you hear bowhunters that shot a deer they sound like they are in extacy, they breath heavily, some looks as though they going to vomit from pure excitement, hands shake I means their body is going thru total euphoria. I often hear them sounding as if they just had an orgasm - . listen to this one

 

Or  watch......

Monsters among us who kills for sports - WARNING-Video is GRAPHIC AND DISTURBINGclick here

As I said, any human who deliberately put a sentient being thru terror, pain, suffering and death like bowhunters do for in bowhunting they let the deer "layup and die" or "wait" the recommended time (MINIMUM) of 30-45 minutes, sometimes 4 hours, some 8 some overnight listen to this one click here . Even with the knowledge of what is involved in bowhunting for the animals they buy their bows and arrows go into the forest to shoot an innocent sentient being (even spotted fawns and yearling with siblings) for no reason but for, "fun" sports and trophy AGAIN even KNOWING there will be a lot of suffering involved but guess what? when they hit the deer no matter how bad the shot is it's all high fives and cheering listen to this one listen to this one . As they wait for the animal to die they talk on the video camera filled with excitement, no empathy, no guilt of causing pain, instead it's the total opposite (video camera to capture death is popular now, it's all over hunting website to buy).

"Trophy hunters often hire a camera person to film their entire hunts in the bush (in the case of America from the tree stand or ground blind) including the actual moments when animals are shot and when they die. These films are made to be viewed later at will, presumably for self-gratification purposes and to show to other people--again the longing "to be important" factor?

This could also be seen as a form of trophy which mirrors in some respect pornographic "snuff" videos known to be made by some serial killers. Other serial killers have tape-recorded the screams of their victims ( click here) , which were kept for later self-gratification."

Psychopaths

"....was, until 1980, the term used for a personality disorder characterized by an abnormal lack of empathy combined with strongly amoral conduct but masked by an >>>ability to appear outwardly normal<<< Psychopaths lack a sense of guilt or remorse for any harm they may have caused others, instead rationalizing the behavior, blaming someone else, or denying it outright, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy and Dennis Rader, the infamous “BTK” (Bind, Torture, Kill) murderer—have manifested numerous psychopathic traits, including superficial charm and a profound absence of guilt and empathy." Bowhunters says "Rage is like hitting a deer with an ax"click here

Gut Shot Deer - Imagine yourself dying this way!click here

From bowhunters, they know gut shot happens a lot so what they do let them "layup and die" for at least 12 hours. Most go home to sleep in their cozy bed while the deer suffer and die from their own poison. Bowhunters quote and he talks as if it's nothing, just "wait it out" (HEARTLESS PSYCOPATH)

"Stomach wounds kill through a combination of blood loss and septicemia, or blood poisoning. The latter results when stomach contents, including bacteria and toxins, enter the blood stream. This, in turn, results in septic or toxic shock, which causes decreasing blood pressure and gradual organ failure. Stomach wounds are nearly always fatal, but a gut-shot deer can live a long time and can travel a long way if pushed (and will leave little, if any, blood)"

(source)

"A stomach shot is also fatal, but it could take 24 hours or longer for the deer to die. Give this animal at least three hours to bed down and follow up for the kill in the daytime. Make sure to circle ahead from the downwind side."

Because gut shot deer can travel far they will most likely never be retrieved rather they are killed by predators who can smell their wound. Read more on gut shot deerclick here

"The primary difference between psychopaths and other criminals is that the psychopath is incapable of experiencing guilt, empathy, or remorse (though psychopaths may fake these feelings to look good to their parole boards). As a result, psychopaths commit far more acts of violence than other criminals."

Look at the hunting accident lists - how do you know if some of them really are "accidents" ? click here

besides causing immense pain and suffering to animals they probably killing each other because all they have to do is to say "oops I thought he was a deer, turkey, quail, squirrels etc." and they do get away with it. That is the corruption of the hunting industry as well (DNR and other State Wildlife Agencies and pro-kill Government).

Psychopaths profile continue...

"Superficially charming, psychopaths tend to make a good first impression on others and often strike observers as remarkably normal. Yet they are self-centered, dishonest and undependable, and at times they engage in irresponsible behavior for no apparent reason other than the sheer fun of it.Nevertheless, research also suggests that a sizable number of psychopaths may be walking among us in everyday life.

Some investigators have even speculated that “successful psychopaths”—those who attain prominent positions in society"

(President Bush, Dick  Cheney, Ted Nugent, Sarah Palin,  and  most Republican right wing conservatives)

You seen how the bowhunter and other "sportsman" psychopaths act like they are such "great people" and they are "conservationist" and "care" for wildlife". They will claim they "feed the hungry" (you can bet if they could not kill they could give a damn about the poor and hungry) and as far as the "conservationist" you can also bet if they could not kill they could give a damn about the land or the animal in it because the only purpose of their "conservation" is to "conserve" land to be used as a killing field and to propagate "game" animals to kill. These monsters are great with acting as if they are just the regular "Joe Guy" from next door but inside lies pure evil heartless humans whose mind and actions are no different then that of serial killers and psychopaths!

Only Soulless humans can kill with a bow and arrow Part 3 Compilation

Psychopaths
"....was, until 1980, the term used for a personality disorder characterized by an abnormal lack of empathy combined with strongly amoral conduct but masked by an ability to appear outwardly normal...Psychopaths lack a sense of guilt or remorse for any harm they may have caused others, instead rationalizing the behavior, blaming someone else, or denying it outright, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy and Dennis Rader, the infamous “BTK” (Bind, Torture, Kill) murderer—have manifested numerous psychopathic traits, including superficial charm and a profound absence of guilt and empathy."






Recreational hunters,  INTENTIONALLY go out there to kill for fun with no care in the world even with a stuffed fridge and belly. There is absolutely NO limit to the amount of cruelty that hunters can inflict upon the innocent sentient beings , they can spine shoot them for the video (got lots of that), they can shoot the animals in anyway they want because in American cruelty to forest animals is considered "sports", an "outdoorsman" or "conservation" ( all that euphemistic garbage). Now that part is cleared lets get to excuse #2. "Have you see what those wolves do to the animals rip them to shred alive" etc etc. Yes I have and horrible to watch but that is part of life and death in the wild, some animal will succumb quickly to the predators kill some may take longer but their killing is out of hunger and their prey are the weaker, the starving, the smaller to keep the strong healthy genes where the "sportsman" do the opposite. Now let me tell you what happens to the animals when sports hunters (bowhunters especially) leave the animals to die sometimes for hours and even overnight, you always hear the hunters says "I hope the coyote or wolves did not get to them" meaning the animals could not even defend themselves in their wound dying they were eaten alive by the carnivores of the wild and all because of sick humans who wants to kill for sports and trophy. The does and yearlings they wont bother to search if they know it would be too hard to find but the big antlered "trophy" deer yes they will go all out, even half eaten they will bring home the deer for the sake of the antler. Pitiful isn't it? In this video you will see many talk about the "wait" which means the recommended waiting time for the animal to die from bowhunting usually minimum of 30-45 minutes. Bowhunters tries to deny this to the public but I watch, I listen carefully to EVERY WORDS that bowhunters says and don't miss a thing. Is there any remorse or guilt from them? ABSOLUTELY NONE! Instead it's the high fives and fist pumping as they speak in whisper not to spook the stil alive but suffering deer any further. Imagine a human capable of cheering as the animal is dying, an animal with the same physiology of humans is dying some drowning in their own blood, hemorrhaging  to death or what ever horrific suffering that comes from a bow and arrow whether it's compound or crossbow all death to an animal by an arrow is never "quick" and it's the kind of death not one of these killers would ever want to experience.
Now lets talk about the fawns, yes they kill fawns with spots but in the hunting industry they want to make sure you get the female not the male for they need the male for future trophy deer. (click here) Plus they want to save enough food for the does to have more babies and the growing fawn buck for future killing (they call it fawn recruits). Yearlings too, yearlings are very close to their siblings but in the bowhunting public ( I especially witness the killings of babies by bowhunters) they will injure or kill the button buck but mostly the female yearling because I see other hunters comments of anger not because of the yearling killing but because of the "taking out" of "future trophy deer". When one of the sibling is injured or killed the other will follow as if grieving. About does (female deer) Bowhunters have no qualms about killing does with babies http://mathew5-7.blogspot.com/2010/10/this-doe-right-here-came-looking-for.html  and does are very protective of them too and still the high fives and the whisper of "yahoos" for the camera. Today's hunting I like the public to know is NOT about survival and food, some may eat the "backstrap" (what a joke) I had seen it and it's so laughable and the rest are either dumped to the pantries or the forest ground. The killers (sports hunters) not for a moment think that that the unsavory part of the deer carcass is where CWD is and they continue to poison the pantries.(click here) as the Government lies on the serious danger of CWD (Prions) is to humans. We do have many vegetarian "feed the hungry" but the Government who gets loads of money from the NRA never speak of people like "Food Not Bombs" click here

because they are about feeding the poor vegetarian food with love and compassion and to stop the war. Their message is to use the money to feed the poor rather then to kill people in the war. I am getting off subject but that is part of the reason why so many deer tags are able to be sold because there is the pantries to "give" to not caring whether there is possiblity of all kinds of wildlife diseases such as bovine TB, parasites, worms (several types) and the most dangerous of all Prions from CWD which is now in 13 states and 2 Canadian Provinces. The deer numbers are here because of hunting and the number continue to rise so does the deer vehicle accidents. The hunting industry knows about Compensatory Rebound Effect (CRE) meaning that the surviving deer will have more food and food is what cause more fawn births (twins and triplets) where if there is not enough food the womb will "eat up" the embryo or fail to ovulate. It's all part of the natural eco-balance that the hunting industry destroys. Then of course we all know they kill off deer's natural predators such as the coyotes which they call "varmints". The hunting industry despise any animals that will naturally reduce the numbers and may even eat that trophy deer they been eyeing to get for couple of years like serial killers do with certain victims. click here

Why are there so many wounded and crippled deer ? Why are there always bad shots where it takes deer , elk and other large hunted animals to die a slow excruciatingly painful death even if the bowhunters think they are "Robin hood" when practicing on a non moving object?  


Jumping the String



"Animals have an extraordinary ability to dodge arrows. This attribute wasn’t understood until the behavior of white-tailed deer was captured on videotape and studied carefully. Deer can take flight with uncanny speed at the slightest hint of danger, particularly unnatural sound, including the sound of a bow twanging. This phenomenon is called “jumping the string.”

"A deer may appear broadside when it is actually quartering slightly toward, or away. And that angle could mean the difference between a double-lung or single-lung, lethal or non-lethal hit. If I had a dollar for every deer I recovered that I mistakenly thought was broadside when I shot, I could buy a dozen good arrows."

Disposition
A deer's behavior may influence when, or even if, you should shoot. Precise numbers don't exist, but we know that a whitetail's reflexes are extremely quick. Sound travels at 1,125.79 feet per second (fps). Meanwhile, even the fastest compound bows spew arrows at less than half that rate. This leaves a deer ample time to react, particularly if it's alert, which is often the case when rattling, calling aggressively or when the deer catches sight or scent of you. It's a judgment call you often have to make instantaneously, but a better option may be to wait until the deer relaxes, or pass up the shot, particularly if it's a longer shot. Alert deer reduce your maximum effective range. The farther away a deer is, the more time it has to react. A well-aimed arrow could be far enough off the mark to result in a clean miss, or worse.
A deer's reflexes can sometimes be so fast even a well-placed hit can result in some weird and unexpected results. I've seen arrows enter a deer dead on the mark and exit at angles that defy the laws of physics. Sometimes it's the result of deflection off bone.
Other times, it's purely reaction speed."

http://www.bowhuntingmag.com/tactics/BH_wounding_1109/index1.html


Why are there so many wounded and crippled deer ? Why are there always bad shots where it takes deer , elk and other large hunted animals to die a slow excruciatingly painful death even if the bowhunters think they are "Robin hood" when practicing on a non moving object? Here are few of the reasons besides the fact that man are not meant to kill. "Men" who thinks they are part of "predator and prey" is a joke !!



Jumping the String

"Animals have an extraordinary ability to dodge arrows. This attribute wasn’t understood until the behavior of white-tailed deer was captured on videotape and studied carefully. Deer can take flight with uncanny speed at the slightest hint of danger, particularly unnatural sound, including the sound of a bow twanging. This phenomenon is called “jumping the string.”


"A deer may appear broadside when it is actually quartering slightly toward, or away. And that angle could mean the difference between a double-lung or single-lung, lethal or non-lethal hit. If I had a dollar for every deer I recovered that I mistakenly thought was broadside when I shot, I could buy a dozen good arrows."


Disposition

A deer's behavior may influence when, or even if, you should shoot. Precise numbers don't exist, but we know that a whitetail's reflexes are extremely quick. Sound travels at 1,125.79 feet per second (fps). Meanwhile, even the fastest compound bows spew arrows at less than half that rate. This leaves a deer ample time to react, particularly if it's alert, which is often the case when rattling, calling aggressively or when the deer catches sight or scent of you. It's a judgment call you often have to make instantaneously, but a better option may be to wait until the deer relaxes, or pass up the shot, particularly if it's a longer shot. Alert deer reduce your maximum effective range. The farther away a deer is, the more time it has to react. A well-aimed arrow could be far enough off the mark to result in a clean miss, or worse.

A deer's reflexes can sometimes be so fast even a well-placed hit can result in some weird and unexpected results. I've seen arrows enter a deer dead on the mark and exit at angles that defy the laws of physics. Sometimes it's the result of deflection off bone.

Other times, it's purely reaction speed."

http://www.bowhuntingmag.com/tactics/BH_wounding_1109/index1.html


The difficulty in shooting arrows accurately offers a partial explanation for the high woundingand crippling loss. Unlike bullets, which fly in a more like linear path, arrows loop. As Benkesays: they rainbow. Whereas a gun hunter takes dead aim at an animal, an archer mustestimate the distance from the target and adjust the shot to compensate for the rainbow trajectory of the arrow.

Considering that bowhunters often shoot from tree stands or position themselves on slopedterrains, they become anxious when an animal is finally within range. This is known amongbowhunters as “buck fever.”

This beautiful buck deer was left to suffer and die overnight, body ended up half eaten by coyote most likely buck was still alive when he was attacked  but "thank God" for the bowhunter the rack was still intact and he made sure to find that deer.



Just close your eyes and imagine a death like these
Gut Shot Deer - Imagine yourself dying this way! click here
Spine Shot Deer - The terror for deer, the excitement of cruelty for bowhunter click here


"Ethical" Hunter says "let the deer lay up and die"

Bowhunters damning comments of killing does, pregnant does and fawns.click here
Bowhunters says "Rage is like hitting a deer with an ax" click here

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It's 2011 We do not need barbarism in our parks and forest. We have tons of choices to "manage" deer and to co-exist peacefully with them.  They too are a beautiful creatures of God and do not deserve the pain and suffering from sick human monsters.

Deer Contraception Works and IT WORKS WELL according to Jay Kirkpatrick and Wildlife Contraception expert. click here

(Reminded the State Wildlife Agencies has their own "biologist" that will mislead the public on the effectiveness of Wildlife Contraception obviously because they want the abundance of deer to sell tags each year and rake in those blood money). 

Compensatory Rebound Effect (CRE) is why killing does not work . click here

Few blogger that everyone should read by Katherine McGill (She is not an "anti-hunter and neither am I)  We undertand there are those who do have to hunt for survival but recreational hunting today is NOTHING about that. 

 Realities of hunting as a population control: Why there are so many deer today click here

Wildlife Conservation has an agenda - our taxes ensure unsound management
 click here

‎"The judges agreed, saying the hunting laws exempt people from animal mistreatment charges. "

("mistreatment" meaning cruelty charges)

Bowhunters says "Rage is like hitting a deer with an ax"

Reading about "rage" broadheads from other bowhunters is very disturbing not only only the savagery of this arrow but the inconsistency of the results and how the animals are nothing more then objects to "slice and dice". I hear how it does not "pass thru" because it hits a bone, break a rib, it "snaps off" some says it leaves such a large hole that even if the deer did not bleed to death they died from the guts coming out. The video is very graphic and is of a doe being hit by a rage and she is bawling and crying as the bowhunters continue to laugh and video tape. Below are some of bowhunters comments on "rage" broadheads that I found on their forum notice there is not one single concern for the animal suffering instead their concern is finding the deer especially if it's a trophy deer


"Shot a doe tonight with a 2 blade rage at 25 yards quatering away. She ran maybe 15 yards before crashing. It was not a pass threw, but it did its job. I think it broke 5 or 6 ribs on the way in. "darrink



"Broke a few ribs also. I hope the picture is clear. " Darrenbow





"I switched to the Rage 3-blades in 2007. I have shot 4 deer with them now and haven't lost one yet.(knock on wood). I have gotten some amazing blood trails using these broadheads however if you hit a solid bone like the shoulder or high on the rib cage I don't think you would get very good penetration. But then again if you are not shooting 85 pounds what broadhead will? This is the entry wound of the buck I shot this year. It went in high in the back and did not get a pass-through but the deer went 30 yrds. and fell over! " stillfishin


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"Tryed out these wicked 2-blades tonight on a doe. All I can say is Wow what a hole. I cut 2 ribs going in and 1 out. Pretty quartering shot. She went 60yds. I had great blood out both sides. Very happy with them so far." Deer-n-Beer

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"I shot through the leg leg/shoulder bone low on the 9 pt I shot last year. I was amazed that there was no curling of the tip. Head looked none the worse for wear. Didn't penetrate as very far, but wasn't because the tip bent. All 3 blades were intact, also." brdhntr

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"The doe I shot with the Rage 2 blade was quartered away at 20 yards. Arrow (Maxima 350, 28.5", 62 lb bow) broke two ribs on entrance (4.5" entrance hole), went through the lungs, broke one rib in the front of the chest cavity, then broke the off side front leg joint. The arrow never actually came out of the deer, but there was plenty of blood from just the entrance hole." ACK


"Thanks, Give the 3 blades a try and you should see a big difference. 3 blades = more slicing and dicing! I didn't get a pass through on a quartering 200 pound deer week before last, I actually hit him in the liver behind the ribs. The broadhead was found stuck in the off shoulder. I saw him go down just over 120 yards, but the blood that came out his nose left a great trail. Thanks again for taking up our great sport of bow hunting! Keep up the good work!!" pasinthrough
9 months ago

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"USED THE RAGE BROADHEADS A COUPLE TIMES THIS YEAR AND HAD BAD RESULTS. I SHOOT A JENNINGS BOW SET AT 70LBS AND HAD NO PASS THRUS. LOST BOTH DEER, SO I TRIED THE MAGNUS STINGER AND TOOK 2 DOES NO PROBLEM. COMPLETE PASS THRU EVEN ON THE ONE I SHOT THRU THE LEG AND HEART. NOT A GREAT AMOUNT OF BLOOD WITH THESE BLADES BUT CONSISTANT AND ALSO SHOT PLACEMENT IS A FACTOR. ALSO THEY SHOOT STRAIGHT AND ONLY COST ABOUT $24.00 INSTED OF ALMOST $40.00" MITHUNTER


"Wondering if anyone has used these out west. Switched to them this year. Did a number on my buck, but at 20yds didn't get complete pass thru. I did hit ribs, but worried about taking them out west and what they'll do at 50+yds. thanks" FNB


"I switched to rage broadheads mid season last year and was not able to use them. I shot a doe last week with the 1.5" three blade rage broadheads. The shot caught the liver and part of the stomach. The deer went less than 100 yards and when I got to it the stomach was sticking out the entry hole the size of a volleyball. I found it less than 30 minutes after the shot (it had nothing to do with being dead and bloated). I'm hooked!

I've heard of guys who hit no vital organs and the deer went about 75 yards and died because the hole is just too big. I don't think the broadhead itself can fail, other than the blades opening in your quiver. I also shot a grouse with one and took sliced its head right off." walleyeguy_12

"I've heard of too many people shooting deer and not finding them with the rage due to shoulder hits or lack of blood when it doesn't pass through the deer. my buddy shot a little doe about a month ago with about 4 inches of fresh snow on the ground. He had a horrible shot on her, right in front of the arse. The arrow went in not even half way and fell out 30 yards away. She ran a total of about 40 yards. No blood at all. " Czabs

"I switched to the Rage 3-blades in 2007. I have shot 4 deer with them now and haven't lost one yet.(knock on wood). I have gotten some amazing blood trails using these broadheads however if you hit a solid bone like the shoulder or high on the rib cage I don't think you would get very good penetration. But then again if you are not shooting 85 pounds what broadhead will? This is the entry wound of the buck I shot this year. It went in high in the back and did not get a pass-through but the deer went 30 yrds. and fell over! " ucool

"... I broke 6 ribs. 3 on the way in and 3 on the other side. All that rib breaking prevented the tip from poking through the other side." Heavy Arrow



"Rage broad heads are horrible, my friends and I shot 6 deer with them and only recovered 1 TG it was the big buck but even he ran 200 yrds and we shot him 2x. As for arrow and and draw..I use a PSE stinger mod. to 78 lbs draw 386 arrows and 100g rage 2 blades, shot my deer at 15 yrd through the lung..no recovery..but they did give use our money back so they stand by their word.." XTERRAROC
8 months ago



"No, you did make it through to the other side, you hit the shoulder and when the doe took off the arrow popped back out, I have a video of a small doe that did the same thing.

Hey don't like them , don't shoot them??" bowhunterjohn63


" Rage Broadheads?
I shot a nine point on october 4 of this year. I hit it low in the front shoulder and didn't get any vitals. I watched the buck run for about 400 yards then enter a corn field. i waited about 2 hours and went to find it. It ran a total of a mile and a half befor i found it dead in a ditch. The entry hole was so big i could fit my whole hand in it. If i hadn't been using rage broadhead 2 blade i would have never found it." csmigill

"The doe I shot had complete pass through without a problem. Depending on how the broadhead enters, the blade could be against the ribs or with them. This may make the difference of a pass through or not. Don't know for sure. Arrow through or not as long as you recover the deer is what matters.. " cosmic


""I shot a nice 8ptr last night at 27 yds with a 2 blade rage. Hit him about 3-4 in above the picture below. I think I hit the ball at the top of the shoulder. Arrow went in 7 in and as he ran off he snapped the broadhead and insert off and I assume it's still in him. I was 20 ft up in a tree. Found drop of blood every 5-6 ft for 60yds and that's it with 3 small pools where he probably stopped." ptrsligt


Not only are they inconsistant as far as bowhunters "good shot" with "rage" broad heads but it's expensive so when you hear the excuse of 'with the economy it's cheaper to hunt.." you know they are full of crock. Also can you imagine this barbaric weapon accidentally hitting a young child , your pet or eve an adult ? I don't think you stand a chance.

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Wildlife Contraception Response to DNRE Supervisor

From: Defenders of Urban Wildlife
Date: Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 10:17 AM

Subject: Contraception response
Hi, as some of you know I have had a dialogue on and off with Sara Schaefer, the DNRE Supervisor for Southwest MI. As you also know, Sara has told me (written emails) that GH does NOT have a deer overpopulation problem but a deer browse/social carrying capacity problem. And as you know, we brought Sandy Baker (leading expert in the nation on deer behavior and how to garden in areas where deer browse) to town in August 2009.

Sara also told me that in the DNRE's opinion, Ottawa County has too many deer so even though she does not think there are too many deer in the city of GH - she accepts any help she can get with lowering her numbers. She does NOT dispute that the DNRE policy mismanages the herd(s) nor did she disagree with compensatory rebound or the fact that the herds are artificially propagated to serve the hunting community.

That said, my latest conversation with her has centered around contraception for urban deer. When we first met Sara three or four years ago at the first public meeting in GH City Hall, she refused to even address the issue of birth control or take questions from the audience about it. You can see from her response below that she seems to be coming around somewhat. I have tried to address her reasons for continuing to not embrace contraception more than she already has.

It is long but those of you I sent this to are people I think should know and have this info.

Thanks for your ongoing support for our wild ones! Sue

From: Defenders of Urban Wildlife Date: Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:58 AM
Subject: Contraception response
To: Sara Schaefer

Hi Sara,

As I promised, I am responding to your comments on deer contraception. Please review the letter to the editor below written by Jay F. Kirkpatrick, Ph.D., the Director of The Science and Conservation Center, who is recognized as one of the worlds leading authorities on wildlife contraception. His letter is in response to a letter written by Jerry Feaser, Press Secretary of the Pa Game Commission. I also attached an article in Microsoft Word on deer contraception by Peter Muller, for your review. I think this letter and article will address some of your concerns about contraception.

You wrote:

As far as contraception – the cost is not why we have a problem supporting it’s use. The issue is that it works fine with penned deer that can be contained in one area and individually identified (ear tags). The contraception technique is only effective when you dose each doe multiple times over its lifetime. With wild deer, they move around so much that it would be too difficult to make sure you get each individual each year. If you don’t use the technique the way it is designed, then you might as well put the dart with the medicine in it directly in the trash. Perhaps this is why you think it is a money issue. We would gladly use the technique (especially in urban areas) if we could figure out a way to keep the deer in one spot from year to year, and also be able to individually identify them.

Let me try to address your specific objections to contraception below:

The issue is that it works fine with penned deer that can be contained in one area and individually identified (ear tags).

There are several published, peer reviewed, scientific studies on deer contraception (see references in J. Kirkpatrick's letter) showing population reductions of 60% and 40% of free-ranging deer populations. Some of these studies used ear tags and some didn't. There's really no credible scientific debate anymore that deer contraception doesn't work in urban/suburban environments to reduce and manage deer populations effectively - it's a fact.

The contraception technique is only effective when you dose each doe multiple times over its lifetime.

This is true, but it's a safe and effective method of population reduction and management. Current hunting/culling programs require lethal weapons to be used every year in densely populated residential communities putting residents at serious risk. In addition, Allen Rutberg Ph.D., Research Professor, Center for Animals and Public Policy, Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine at Tufts University, currently has a four year vaccine in field studies, which, if successful, will only require the vaccine to be administered once every four years. Furthermore, hunting has proven to be ineffective in reducing deer populations, i.e. not enough deer are killed to offset compensatory rebound, and is why once started, it has to be continued Ad infinitum.

With wild deer, they move around so much that it would be too difficult to make sure you get each individual each year.

A deer's home range is usually small, and typically less than a square mile. That data is based on deer home range studies in heavily forested and/or rural areas, or as you termed "wild deer" populations. Deer typically don't move around all that much. In addition, in urban/suburban discrete populations, the deer home ranges are typically much smaller, i.e. they are not as free-ranging. These deer families are much more contained by roads, fences, homes and urban sprawl. So deer movement is not an major obstacle for a successful urban/suburban contraception program. I for one, know several of the deer families in the areas from where the GH City Council receives the most complaints.

There are a number of successful strategies for contraception darting:

1) Ear tagging, but the down side of ear tagging is that it's resource intensive and takes more time.

2) Paint darts. These darts inject the vaccine and mark the deer with paint to identify them, so that you don't dart them twice.

3) Just dart all the deer you see. You will probably dart some deer twice, but the vaccine isn't that expensive, and it doesn't harm the deer. It's not necessary to contracept every deer in the community for a contraception program to be successful. That being said, if you spend some time studying the deer families within an urban/suburban community, you will get to know the deer groups, their home ranges, and where they bed down, and can effectively dart the majority of the population w/o ear tags or paint darts. Again, I for one know several of the deer families in the areas from where GH City Council receives the most complaints.

4) There are also some baiting strategies for effective deer darting.

Below is a copy of Jay Kirkpatrick's letter to the editor in response to Jerry Feaser, Press Secretary of the Pa Game Commission, regarding the effectiveness of deer contraception.

Response to PA Game Commission by Jay Kirkpatrick, Ph.D., January, 2007

(In the Bucks County Courier Times, January 15, 2007 the following letter by Jerry Feaser, Press Secretary for the Pennsylvania Game Commission appeared. Because of space contraints, the paper could not publish the response of Jay Kirkpatrick, Ph.D., a prize winning wildlife researcher with more than 20 years experience in the filed of contraception and wildlife reproduction. His response in its entirety follows Feaser's letter.)

The game commission is responsible for conserving and managing all wild birds and mammals in Pennsylvania and conducts many wildlife conservation programs for the public. Despite these efforts that benefit all Pennsylvanians, it is true that the agency does not receive any state tax payer funds and is supported by hunters’ dollars.

However, it is not true that the commission does not sterilize deer because hunters do not want fewer deer. Hunters have successfully reduced deer populations in most rural areas. When addressing deer conflicts in more developed areas, the agency and hunters have maintained a consistent effort to reduce deer populations with hunting and non-hunting options.

Recent research has concluded that it is unlikely that using the current sterilization methods alone will reduce the free-ranging deer population that exists throughout Pennsylvania, including lower Bucks County. In addition, fertility control is limited to experimental situations because the FDA has not ruled the drugs safe and effective for use in wildlife and are not available for use with free-ranging deer. Sterilization also is expensive with an estimated cost of up to $1,000 per deer. Research also suggests that use of hunting, alone or in combination with other management actions, may be the only way to effectively reduce free-ranging deer populations.

As part of our urban deer management plan, the Game Commission is developing a written policy on fertility control and will update the policy as science and research provides new information. For the game commission, the choice is clear: hunting costs communities nothing, and is the best option when compared to an unproven, experimental procedure that is cost prohibitive.

Jerry Feaser
Press Secretary
Pennsylvania Game Commission


I shall respond...(to Feaser's letter on "sterilization." ) That said, or written, please keep in mind that journalism regarding this subject has been, for a decade or more, embarrassingly shabby, inaccurate and misleading and for the most part reflects a lot of passionate opinions and theories but little of factual substance.

At the outset, I would like to make two points clear. First, I do not advocate the use of contraception for deer, at Tyler Park or anywhere else. I merely convey facts, data, and scientifically-supported conclusions. Urban and suburban deer problems are local issues and it is not my domain to advocate any management approach outside my home city here in Billings. The Tyler deer are someone else's deer and someone else is responsible for decisions about their management. Second, I do not deal in opinions. I deal only in facts, derived from controlled studies, appropriate analysis and peer-reviewed published data. With that stated, let's examine the article's salient points.

To begin with, "sterilization" is an inaccurate and misleading term. Contraception, which is what the debate is all about, is reversible fertility inhibition, but not sterilization. Spaying is sterilization; neutering is sterilization, but condoms, pills, diaphragms, IUDs, and immunocontraception (vaccines) are reversible and by definition, contraception. The paper's editors, and both authors should be more careful about their use of inaccurate terms.

Mr. Feaser's letter is a masterpiece of hyperbole, misinformation and dissembling. First, he makes no distinction between urban/suburban deer and rural deer and the contraceptive technology, which was developed only for deer herds where traditional management methods are not deemed legal, wise, safe or publicly acceptable. The failure to make this clear at the outset pits the hunting community against the broad concept of management by contraception.

Second, Mr. Feaser contends that "...the agency have maintained a consistent effort to reduce deer populations with hunting and non-hunting options." We all understand hunting, but I, at least, am unaware of the non-hunting efforts to reduce deer populations. He had every right to make this assertion, but then should be compelled to explain what those non-hunting efforts are.

Next he states "Recent research has concluded that it is unlikely that using current sterilization [sic] methods alone will reduce the free-ranging deer population that exists throughout Pennsylvania, including lower Bucks County." This sentence is filled with hyperbole and distractions from the issues at hand. First, he continues to label reversible contraception as "sterilization" and that is really not a terribly complex construct. Second, he once again mixes the rural deer population of all of Pennsylvania and Bucks County with discrete urban/suburban populations, apparently in an attempt to mislead. At no time, at no venue, have I or any other scientist involved in wildlife contraception suggested that contraception (or sterilization!) could solve "Pennsylvania's or Bucks County's deer population" problems. The technology in question was developed for discrete urban/suburban populations where traditional lethal methods are not deemed legal, wise, safe or publicly acceptable.

Second, he cites no references for this "research". I, on the other hand, will be happy to cite the results of actual research. Naugle at al. 2002. Reproduction (Suppl. 60): 143-153 reports on a deer contraceptive project being conducted on Fire ISland National Seashore (FINS), for the National Park Service. There are about 15 communities interspersed along the National Seashore's 30 mile length and thus far immunocontraception has reduced the population by approximately 60%. That's not an opinion. That's fact. So that I may not be accused of hyperbole too, let me make it clear here that contraception is not a good way to quickly reduce a population of deer, or any long-lived species. It can achieve zero population growth relatively fast but it takes some time to actually reduce the population, but it can - and has - been done. Next, one might go read Rutberg et al. 2004. Biological Conservation 116:243-250. This peer-reviewed paper describes a deer contraceptive project being conducted for the U. S. Department of Commerce's National Institute of Standards and Technology, in Gaithersburg, MD. This population of deer has been reduced by approximately 40% through the exclusive use of contraception. I could cite several other papers but these will suffice for now. Incidentally, although it hasn't been published yet, the Gaithersburg data also indicates a decrease in deer-car collisions coincident with the reduction in deer population as a result of contraception.

There have been many other deer contraceptive projects, conducted by other government agencies (USDA) and academic institutions and proprietary companies, but none have been conducted longitudinally, over long periods of time, and at the population level. These other studies have tested safety, efficacy, and so forth, but not population effects.

Now Mr. Feaser next moves on the foil that most opponents use to discredit deer contraception. He states that "...FDA has not ruled the drugs safe and effective for wildlife..." and that they have to be used "experimentally". That is true as far as it goes, but Mr. Feaser fails to tell the entire story, and in doing this misrepresents what is actually going on. At least at present FDA is the regulatory authority for wildlife contraceptives (that responsibility will be shifted to the EPA, probably within the next 12 months). The usual procedure for the development of a new drug within FDA is to generate "pilot" data, which provides some reasonable but no ultimate data regarding safety and then apply for something referred to as an Investigational New Animal Drug (INAD) exemption. THis document, which exists for the immunocontraceptive in question here, "authorizes" the use of the drug by the FDA, in experimental settings. This is almost exactly what takes place with new cancer drugs for humans. Relatively few cancer drugs utilized for human medicine are FDA "approved" but rather they are used "experimentally". Thus, the FDA has deemed the immunocontraceptive in question as safe enough to use experimentally and we use it under FDA authorization. Now, the second step for the development of a commercial drug is, if no problems emerge from the use under the INAD, to move from an INAD to something known as an New Animal Drug Application (NADA). This step requires millions of dollars and many many years of additional research. We have never taken this step, for several reasons. First, there is no promise of financial return for a wildlife contraceptive. The market is just too small, thus the investment of millions of dollars just won't happen. Second, it was our philosophy that because most of the research on this immunocontraceptive (something known as porcine zona pellucida vaccine, or PZP) was originally funded with public money, over 35 years, the outcome of that research already belongs to the public and should not be used to generate profit for a proprietary company. That is a private philosophy, common to our research group and certainly not a universal attitude among scientists. In any case, we took steps to make sure the native PZP cannot be patented for use in wildlife and continue to use it under the FDA INAD. That is a far cry from Mr. Feaser's gaunt description.

Now let's add to that, that this vaccine has been around for about 35 years and much of the research focused on human contraception. It never made it to that market because (1) no one has been able to synthesize the product; it must be laboriously produced by what we refer to as "bench chemistry" on a very small scale. The failure to produce a synthetic form of the vaccine meant that a large human market could never be serviced. We labor here to manufacture about 5,000 doses a year. The second reason it never made it to the human market was the variability in the time for the antifertility effects to reverse. We see that all the time, in wild horses and deer and about 100 species of zoo animals that are currently under treatment. All the pharmaceutical companies could see was litigation. Neither of those constraints represent a safety issue, after 35 years.

Let's examine the safety issue just a little bit more. The vaccine has been used on the wild horses of Assateague Island National Seashore, in Maryland, for 18 years now, and what safety issues have arisen? Well, first, the body condition scores of the population have increased significantly (see Turner and Kirkpatrick. 2002. Reproduction. (Suppl. 60):187-195), mortality has decreased significantly (same paper), the vaccine has proven to be safe to give to pregnant animals (see Kirkpatrick et al. 1991. J. Reprod. Fert. (Suppl. 44) 321-325), doesn't cause changes in seasonal birth patterns or the health of foals born to treated mothers (see Kirklpatrick et al. J. Appl. Anim. Welfare Sci. 6:301-308) and has extended the longevity of the treated horses by more than 10 years (see Kirkpatrick and Turner 2002. J. Reprod. Fert. (Suppl. 60): 197-202; Kirkpatrick and Turner 2007. Zoo Biol. 25:1-8), nor have any behavioral changes been noted (see Powell 1999. J. Appl. Anim. Welfare Sci. 2:321-335) nor have there been any deleterious physiological changes regarding the ovary or endocrine system (see Kirkpatrick et al. 1995. Biol. Reprod. Monograph Series I: Equine Reproduction VI: 411-418; Powell and Monfort 2001. J. Appl. Anim. Welfare Sci. 4:271-284) I could go on, and cite dozens of other papers regarding the use and safety of this vaccine in other species (some 50 of them, including a lot of primates) but I think the point is made. Finally, the vaccine is a protein and ninth grade biology students who are paying attention in class know that proteins can't pass through the food chain. Does this all sound unsafe?

This explanation is a far cry from Mr. Feaser's attempt to use a sound byte, but that is what is necessary if we are to truly understand what is going on. While I must live with sound bytes and slogans from my politicians, I don't intend to accept that form of discourse in the scientific world. Let's move on.

Next. Mr. Feaser tackles the economic dimensions of deer contraception. He quotes a figure of $1,000 per deer. The cost of the vaccine is $21/dose (we, by law, must provide it at our cost of production, with no profit), the dart costs about $1.50, and the bulk of the labor to do the darting is where the real cost lies. Costs will vary from site to site, depending on who is doing the work and what they are paid. If you want to pay someone $80,000 a year to dart deer, the cost will be high; if you want to use trained volunteers the cost is less; if you use employees already employed by a park, or agency, or whatever, the cost is somewhere between. I actually can't say what the costs would be in any given site because of these variables, but I kept the books for the first two years of the Fire Island project and the costs never exceeded $10,000. That included a two or three air fares from Ohio and Montana to New York, and we treated about 150 deer. My math shows that to come out to about $66/deer. I wonder who estimated the $1,000 per deer.

Now Mr. Feaser goes on to say that "Research also suggests that the use of hunting alone or in combination with other management actions, may be the only way to effectively reduce free-ranging deer populations". If Mr. Feaser is talking about the deer in Potter County, or even all of Bucks County, I might agree, but we are not talking about the deer in Potter County or all of Bucks County. we are still talking about discrete urban/suburban deer populations. This is one more attempt to confuse the issues. And, if Mr. Feaser bothers to read the papers cited above, he knows that his statement is not factual.

He closes with descriptions of deer contraception as unproven (not accurate- see above), experimental (true, see above) and cost prohibitive (not accurate, see above).

I am not dismayed by the passion that accompanies this subject, nor am I dismayed if a community chooses not to use contraception. That is local business and not mine. What does upset me, is knowingly manipulating information, hyperbole, attempts to frighten people with skewed information and an anti-intellectual approach to debates that excludes facts and data and substitute opinion. Does any of that sound familiar on a larger scale?

Incidentally, lest anyone attempts to pigeonhole me in some social activist group, I have hunted deer for most of my life and I started in Bucks County more than 50 years ago.

You have my permission to share this response with anyone, but I certainly believe the editorial board of the newspaper in question should be required to see in just what kind of journalism they are participating.


Jay F. Kirkpatrick, Ph.D.
Director
The Science and Conservation Center
2100 South Shiloh Road
Billings, MT 59106