Hunters Excuse - "Conservation"

How to refute with a hunter Part 1 "Conservation"

   1. Hunters idea of "conservation" is to ensure enough "game" animal for future generations of killing for sports and trophy from birds to big "game" animals with the use of food plots,

http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=food+plot+deer&cp=12&qe=Zm9vZCBwbG90IGRlZQ&qesig=QxRT8YKFPpMobzh8Vu41Pg&pkc=AFgZ2tkUZ4tuVgF-RA-5G8J5MzAA7R00pu40N8LMXYvRGM9oY9PdfE560hgzjqqbVk0DHXg0NKj4AQq_vOHvJ20ybEqDi7kIug&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1680&bih=750




manipulating deer habitat and of course using Compensatory Rebound Effect http://defendurbanwildlife.org/news/Compensatory%20Rebound%20Effect.pdf which the hunting industry knows very well about that is how they ensure enough deer to satisfy "sportsman" across America. . They tell the public money goes to land for "all" to enjoy but what they do not know is that same land that non killers are photographing nature will be the same land that will be used as a killing field for "sportsman" and the beautiful photograph of a buck deer, Elk, Moose etc will be killed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVSruqFgktY and probably won't see them again instead it will be on some hunters wall or in a photograph with a dead animal on the ground gray in the eyes, blood in the mouth posed with the hunter sitting or standing by with smiles on his face that he was able to "conquer" such magnificent creature.



Here is more about "Conservation" which is an important read.

 Manipulating wildlife conservation for special interests


http://www.examiner.com/urban-wildlife-in-national/manipulating-wildlife-conservation-for-special-interests


Wildlife Conservation has an agenda - our taxes ensure unsound management


http://www.examiner.com/urban-wildlife-in-national/wildlife-conservation-has-an-agenda-our-taxes-ensure-unsound-management

 

The Myth of Trophy Hunting
as Conservation


http://www.animalrightsafrica.org/Archive/Hunting/The_%20Myth_of_Trophy_Hunting_as_Conservation.pdf


Wildlife Watching:
An Economic Boon to Communities


http://all-creatures.org/cash/cc2007-fa-ww.html


Eco-tourism is what brings the money but the hunting industry rarely mentions that because the NRA and the pro-kill Government wants the public to continue believing it's the "sportsman" who brings money. Then they say how they "boost" the economy yet with such small percentage of killers in America I would believe that is a bit of an exaggeration. Imagine how much money can be made by eco-tourism, bird watching, nature photography where MAJORITY of the population will enjoy but many do not want to get involved because of hunting that does takes place. "Sportsman" or American are only 4% of the American population but the reason they continue to "win" is the support of power and money (guns and political people who too have interest in hunting) which they get money from all the hunting propaganda. They do love their euphemism such as "conservation", "wildlife management", "love and respect nature". Psychopaths too were good with being the "nice" people but behind the facade lies a soulless monster.


Also how is "conservation" of land doing the non-killing public any good if we can' even feel safe in the woods during the fall. There is no peace in there just death and destruction as millions of hunters heads out into the forest blasting their guns, crossbows and bows and arrows to KILL.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVSruqFgktY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLsA2ze9zn4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyRqMiZHJOA


Overall "Conservation" is just a euphemism , another name for propagating "game" animals for "sportsman" to kill not only for today but for the future. There is nothing "beautiful" about terror, pain, suffering, bloodshed and death to the innocent because that is what hunters love to show on their videos and websites about "conservation". I wonder what it would look like if they showed what really happens to the animals they "conserve" . One last thing I forgot to mention many popular "wildlife group" hooking up with the hunters (easy money , quick fix and brainwashed to think if you kill some you will have plenty of animals for "all" to enjoy which we know is a farce). Organization such as Nature Conservancy, National Wildlife Federation, World Wildlife Fund, Sierra Club, and of course Audubon.

Hunters Excuse- "They will spread diseases and we must control them"

First of all CWD the most serious of all disease were first spread by Elk and Deer farming when hunters were feeding rendered animals to grow large rack and because of hunting with their baiting and supplement feeding it continued to spread today though they banned feeding rendered animals they still supplement feed deer or bait when the deer congregates and that is how it's spread.. (although with the hunting public who knows if they still feed rendered animals)



"As you can see by reading this article [below] in this afternoon's Capital Times of Madison, word is slowly leaking out about what has apparently been a massive decade-long feeding of "supplements" (including meat and bone meal as mineral and protein) to wild deer in the heart of the "kill zone," the area of the WI Chronic Wasting Disease outbreak.

Apparently no one in the CWD research community has ever investigated the possibility that CWD may be spreading via rendered feed (mineral, fat and protein supplements), as happened in Britain with mad cow disease. This needs to be investigated immediately as a possible third means of infection for CWD, along with suspected animal-to-animal transmission and environmental contamination.

As you can see from the excerpts of two books below on feeding wild deer, there has been a huge push over the past 10-15 years of supplemental feeding of both game farmed elk and deer and wild deer to grow bigger animals with huge-boned antlers. "

http://www.organicconsumers.org/madcow/stauber6702.cfm

Bovine TB is another disease that can kill human and animals and it's spread by supplement feeding and baiting




same as CWD. Bovine TB is found in Michigan and spreading http://www.upnorthlive.com/news/story.aspx?id=507733 . They believe killing will "eliminate" the diseases but in Wisconsin they have killed thousands of deer since 2002 and CWD is still prevalent. The main cause of spread is hunters supplement feeding and baiting deer and Elk although they are "prohibiting" baiting and supplement feeding certain areas are still allowed in "Non-CWD Zone" in  Wisconsin and in private land.  Also when they gut the deer and leave the gut pile what other animals could be consuming a diseased deer?



CWD is now in 14 states plus 2 Canadian Province
Colorado, Illinois, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York (only from CWD containment area), Oklahoma, South Dakota, Utah, West Virginia (only from Hampshire County), Wisconsin and Wyoming; as well as the Canadian provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan.

Overall it's not just CWD but other wildlife diseases which hunting can worsen the epidemic

Hunting Can Increase The Severity Of Wildlife Disease Epidemics

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/07/060714174141.htm

"One reason the policies failed, Choisy and Rohani said, is that they didn’t take into account an ecological principle known as compensation. When a portion of the animal population is reduced, those that survive are left with more resources such as food and shelter. As a result of the newly plentiful resources, the death rate decreases and the birth rate increases, compensating – and sometimes overcompensating – for the loss.

(Here you can see Compensatory Rebound Effect at work)

Killing wild animals can also increase the proportion of the population that’s susceptible to disease by removing those individuals who have contracted a virus but have developed lifelong immunity as a result of their infection.




The effect can be so dramatic that in some cases hunting can increase not only the proportion of infections and deaths, but also the absolute numbers. For example, their model shows that in the case of swine fever, a highly infectious disease threatening boars and pigs in Europe, hunting can increase the number of infected individuals by twenty five percent.

If we want to preserve the hunted population, we should be careful about when we schedule the hunting season compared to birth season because if it’s too early or late, it can drive the population to extinction,” "

Hunters still seem to make excuses why it's "ok" for them to supplement feed deer (read my blogger)

http://mathew5-7.blogspot.com/2009/06/supplement-feeding-can-spread-cwd-yet.html

Wisconsin DNR is still allowing supplement feeding if the hunter pays more money and so long as you have sports hunting they will bait even if it's against the law in CWD zone.

In Wisconsin CWD are spreading yet there is still baiting deer and DNR is actually letting them with an extra charge. Why would they even do that if that is how CWD is spread? Ridiculous but not surprised at all!. As you read the article they also want to continue to supplement feed the deer for fear of deer numbers fa...lling (and ...all this time I thought hunting is about deer herd reduction) .

"I see people loading trucks with corn, carrots and sugar beets around my home in Grayling, and a friend called to say bait is widely sold even at the heart of the CWD management zone in Kent County.

It will be even harder to get Upper Peninsula hunters to accept a ban, because deer numbers there are below targets set by the Department of Natural Resources and Environment. And without supplemental winter feeding the population will drop even more.

The DNRE could charge $20-$30 for a license that lets people use small amounts of bait at a time or materials like salt licks and attractor blocks. Purchasing that license would acknowledge that the DNRE has the right to come onto a hunter's property to check the bait pile."
http://www.freep.com/article/20101118/SPORTS10/11180469/CWD-test-

Supplement Feeding can spread CWD yet hunters do it and supports it - WHY? cl
http://mathew5-7.blogspot.com/2009/06/supplement-feeding-can-spread-cwd-yet.html

175 deer test positive for cwd in wisconsin
http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=329316#ixzz1F7y2TQ5k

Overall it's the sports hunting industry that will eventually bring deer to extinction from wildlife disease epidemic with their supplement feeding and baiting


HUNTERS CONTINUE TO DESTROY OUR WILDLIFE, WORSENING DISEASES AND MAY EVEN ONE DAY BRING DEER TO EXTINCTION. 

Lastly deer trafficking is very common so with hunters wanting their big rack deer the disease will continue to worsen in that way too.

Hunters excuse #5 "Our meat is hormone free and organic"

(worms in deer carcass)

(liver fluke)


(gross legions)

Left to right: Michigan Department of Natural Resources officials, Christine Hanaburgh, and Amy Swainston, catalog deer at the Barry County deer check station on opening day. Photo: Dave Raczkowski / The Grand Rapids Press

(Bovine TB turning up in Michigan)


(Pesticides from lawn spray tons were sprayed in NJ and hunted deer "given" to the pantries)

Before I start let me remind you that when recreational hunters comes to your post with the old line of  "meat in the freezer" and "Our meat is hormone free and organic" is just their cover-up.  Okeeee, now lets see we know wildlife especially deer may carry  all kinds of diseases one such  as bovine TB which can transmit to man, there are parasite, worms of all kinds, pesticides from the lawn and the most dangerous of all which if Chronic Wasting Disease another pretty name of Mad Deer Disease

What the government isn't telling you about mad deer disease.

http://mathew5-7.blogspot.com/2010/09/what-government-isnt-telling-you-about.html
 

Prions in CWD is the same agent that causes Creutzfeldt-Jakob is a rare, fatal illness often described as "fast Alzheimer's. One cannot often detect a sick deer until the final stage so you can kill a deer thinking he/she is "healthy" but instead carrying the disease.


(checking for CWD)


"At least seven people age 66 or younger -- all hunters or venison eaters -- are known to have died of Creutzfeldt-Jakob in the U.S. in the last nine years. The total number will never be known because there's no federal requirement that all cases be reported. Preliminary studies suggest, and some neurologists suspect, that CJD is more common than generally believed -- it's simply misdiagnosed as Alzheimer's. That raises the obvious question: How many people would die of chronic wasting disease before a doctor called it?

In a highly publicized case, three Wisconsin hunters who attended wild-game feasts died of neurological diseases. Two had Creutzfeldt-Jakob, one turned out to have another rare neurological ailment, Pick's disease. Tests are ongoing.

Another victim from Oklahoma died with a freezer full of venison. A 50-year-old Montana elk hunter died last summer; his brain tissue is now being analyzed at one of the world's foremost prion labs, at the University of California in San Francisco. Test results are pending."

None of the meat that some consume are inspected by the USDA the hunters "inspect" it themselves.

Lastly only 16% according to a chart found in a hunting website motive to hunt is for food the rest is for sports so even *if" some eat the meat they only take the "back ribs" or parts to make "beef jerkey" (laughable).



("to be close to nature" and "to be with family" is another words for "I love to kill living creatures")

  Sports hunters have their fridge stocked with market food and dairy is filled with hormones and puss and god knows what.  So all that "organic hormone free" more excuses and I have seen hunters going into 7-11's before their morning kill and even stop at Wendy's.  Plus why is it that heart attack http://www.theherald.com.au/news/local/news/general/hunter-is-heart-attack-capital/1996845.aspx  are so prevalent in the hunting community? Boy those Venison must be really "healthy" for them.





(Don't forget milk and all dairy product  is filled with puss, hormones and all kinds of crap)

(don't forget Milk is filled with hormones, puss and all kinds of junk)



*I am not against sustenance hunting I understand there are some people who have absolutely no choice but those who not be here making lame excuses, they will not be making videos or taking morbid photographs they be out getting their food with a shotgun and come home.    So many times on some of the cruelest videos on youtube you hear the remark of 'yeah meat in freezer" or "back ribs baby" just to make the public think their disgusting savage killing is not because they just enjoy it.    Even their own hero Ted the "Turd" Nugent said 



Nobody hunts just to put meat on the table because it's too expensive, time consuming and extremely inconsistent. - Ted Nugent's World Bowhunters Magazine, Volume 1/ Number 3, March/April 1990, p.7

Compensatory Rebound Effect (CRE) is REAL don't let the hunting public tell you otherwise

You will often get comments like this from Hunters. "CRE is still junk science."Compensatory Rebound Effect is the reason why killing does not work but the hunters and the hunting industry wants to deny it and rather call is 'AR propaganda" or "junk science" .  We  shall see for ourselves if  this is really "propaganda" or "junk science".  First of all

 What is Compensatory Rebound Effect?

"Reproductive rebound is a well documented population dynamic in deer and other mammals. Deer conceive multiple embryos but the number of fawns actually born is determined by a number of complex factors including nutrition and herd density. With competition for food reduced by a sudden drop in herd numbers, younger fawns will breed and females will give birth to twins and triplets instead of single fawns.In its 1990 report, "An Assessment of Deer Hunting in New Jersey," New Jersey Fish and Game offered a detailed example of this process. Its report shows that even during hunting seasons in which killing female deer was the objective (antlerless seasons), the remaining females had increased birthrates that not only replaced the ones killed, but increased the overall size of the herd. "http://www.pzpinfo.org/pzp_faqs.html



CRE is mentioned by others people who have nothing to do with Animal Rights.

"The researchers note that in each instance, disease outbreaks have worsened in response to the hunting.One reason the policies failed, Choisy and Rohani said, is that they didn’t take into account an ecological principle known as compensation. When a portion of the animal population is reduced, those that survive are left with more resources such as food and shelter. As a result of the newly plentiful resources, the death rate decreases and the birth rate increases, compensating – and sometimes overcompensating – for the loss."

Hunting Can Increase The Severity Of Wildlife Disease Epidemics
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/07/060714174141.htm



And GUESS WHAT? The hunting industry knows darn well about it and uses it to produce more deer, that with the use of food plot http://www.google.com/images?oe=UTF-8&gfns=1&q=food+plot+and+hunting&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1551&bih=816, to really "boost" the deer population. They are so preoccupied with fawn birth to create  larger deer herd size and  their main interest in the buck fawns.

“By keeping the deer population below the carrying capacity of the available habitat, more forage (nutrition) is available per deer. Thus, does are healthier, reproductive success is higher and more does are able to carry two fawns. Ironically, this can result in a greater deer harvest each year. Depending on the relationship of the population and the carrying capacity, an „optimum sustained yield‟ can be achieved where a relatively high reproductive rate allows an abundant harvest each fall. With high-quality habitat and increased nutrition, the percentage ofdoe fawns that breed their first fall increases (sometimes up to 25 percent). Also, a higher percentage of yearling does produce two fawns instead of one. Because fawns are born at approximately a 1:1 sex ratio, more bucks may be born each year. Therefore, in some areas, you actually can increase the number of bucks born by shooting more does.”“Quality Deer Management: Guidelines for Implementation,” 6. Agricultural Extension Service, The University of Tennessee. http://www.utextension.utk.edu/publications/p... (last accessed November 2008)

Also read

ANATOMY OF A "DOE" HUNT:

How Killing Female Deer at the Watchung Reservation Increased Birth Rates and Reproducti

http://www.hnva.net/anatomy.html

 

Gut Shot Deer - Imagine yourself dying this way!

Gut Shot Deer - Imagine yourself dying this way!

Gut shot is a slow and agonizing way for the deer to die often taking up to 12 hours of more. The animals die from their own poison as you can see from a bowhunters tips on finding gut shot deer.

"Stomach wounds kill through a combination of blood loss and septicemia, or blood poisoning. The latter results when stomach contents, including bacteria and toxins, enter the blood stream. This, in turn, results in septic or toxic shock, which causes decreasing blood pressure and gradual organ failure. Stomach wounds are nearly always fatal, but a gut-shot deer can live a long time and can travel a long way if pushed (and will leave little, if any, blood)"

http://www.bowhuntingmag.com/tactics/BH_wounding_1109/index1.html

"A stomach shot is also fatal, but it could take 24 hours or longer for the deer to die. Give this animal at least three hours to bed down and follow up for the kill in the daytime. Make sure to circle ahead from the downwind side."

Because gut shot deer can travel far they will most likely never be retrieved rather they are killed by predators who can smell their wound. In this video you will see the bowhunter paunch hits a deer then leaves her over night to track

gut shot didn't even recover the deer

Shoots a spike deer in gut and leave him to suffer and die, he even makes mockery that he just does not feel like retrieving the deer and " probably will die  in some anti-hunters yard"

There is absolutely NO mercy or compassion from bowhunters just immense pain and suffering for the animals.

More on gut shot comments from hunters forums and websites.

http://www.michiganwalleye.com/forum/showthread.php?t=354977

"Gut shot deer rarely bleed externally! Yes there is an entrance and exit wound, but the intestines and stomach often close them up. Besides, the gut area offers very few arteries and blood vessels to bleed.

Once the paunch (stomach) is ruptured, semi digested food and stomach bacteria enter the body cavity. This makes the deer sick and it will eventually lay down where it will expire after a long time. Blood loss is minimal and slow and will almost always be internal. These reasons are why one should wait a minimum of 8 hours before attempting to track a gut shot deer. "

"I felt fortunate to have taken a nice buck, but I was equally grateful for being able to see the deer drop within sight. So often that's not the case. Even with the best of hits, the deer runs out of sight, leaving us to wonder and worry...Stomach wounds kill through a combination of blood loss and septicemia, or blood poisoning. The latter results when stomach contents, including bacteria and toxins, enter the blood stream. This, in turn, results in septic or toxic shock, which causes decreasing blood pressure and gradual organ failure. Stomach wounds are nearly always fatal, but a gut-shot deer can live a long time and can travel a long way if pushed (and will leave little, if any, blood)"

http://www.bowhuntingmag.com/tactics/BH_wounding_1109/index1.html

This is others heartless comments about gut shot

huntwithairguns

3 weeks ago

I let one of my does lay over night in September, coyotes got it before I did...

KSBOWHUNTER

3 weeks ago

Good job, you did the right thing in leaving her for the next day. She proved again that a gut shot deer if left alone will usually be found near a water source. Unfortunatly the coyotes are so bad here that a deer left overnight is usually coyote food by morning :(

medicjimr

3 weeks ago

Congratulations looked like she was about to cross over the redbank creek

More heartless comments about gut shot here.

http://www.michiganwalleye.com/forum/showthread.php?t=354977

It's all "congratulation" "good job" but these people do not feel any remorse to the suffering of the animals. People like us who are compassionate can feel their suffering and we would never put another living beings thru something we would never want to feel ourselves that is why bowhunters and sports hunters are all hearltess monsters!

The picture below shows what happened overnight to a wounded deer in Kansas.

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